fist time i did it it took only seconds... my mind was already stimulated by readin 10 pages of meditation process... i tend to experiance effects as i read the meditations if i allow it, so after that i just felt like i had some kind of enormous electromagnetic evergy in my hands....
so i did what any over enegised person would do
and made a nice electric psyball... but the effect dissipated over time... thats what happens when your time management goes out the window.
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He who discovers that which is of darkness and brings it forth into the light sets forth the shadow of death